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tv   Charlie Rose  Bloomberg  June 23, 2014 8:00pm-9:01pm EDT

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>> from our studios in new york city, this is "charlie rose." >> sebastian thrun is here. he is the cofounder and ceo of udacity, an online education company. previously, he was head of google x.
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he spurned the development of the google driverless cars as well as google glass. this week, udacity announced the first nano degree program in conjunction with at&t. it follows an early collaboration of the two companies with georgia tech university offering the first masters degree in computer science. i am pleased to have sebastian back at the table. welcome. >> is gracie hughes charlie. >> it is great seeing you with charlie. -- >> let me go. tell me the journey you have taken in terms of how your evolution in thinking has taken place about online education. >> last year, i was full-time at google. google x and i made the mistake of putting my stanford class online. we sent e-mail that said you can one take this class for free and get the same exams as stanford students and we expected five to show up. >> how many. >> 500. it was a friday afternoon and we
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have 500 students show up. maybe 800. a specialized course on artificial intelligence. saturday morning, we had 5000. sunday, 10,000. the dean found out gave me a phone call. he said you did not tell us. [laughter] we had a long series of conversations about credentials to give. >> but low and behold, when all was said and done we had 160,000 students. i've taught a good number of students in my life. i would have to live 50 times. >> in the introduction was, your perspective was, my god, there are a lot of people want to take online courses? >> i had no clue. i should not admit this. i was going to a vienna concert with my wife and looked at this big stadium full of people and said, it is only 40,000 people. >> only 1/3 of the people who have taken my course online. >> it was crazy. >> have you changed your opinion of what can be done?
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words, is that course different from what you do online today? >> massively so. initially what we do is this massive online course and copies of what we do in the classroom. record yourself and the lecture. a fixed timeframe and deadlines and other things. every of the assumption is broken and we go to new media. it is as different as television is from radio and film from the stage. you can do magic you can never do in a classroom. in a classroom, when you ask a question and you have students there and somebody looks at the answer, you are forced to go at the pace and you have to take these with you. online, you can wait. ask the question.
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it makes it more interactive and a videogame. less like a lecture. you realize there are so many differences. things you realize that online needed that you do not necessarily know was necessary? is therewords, something about the teaching experience when you put it online suffer from the absence of being in person? >> yeah. there are low points in our work. 000 students 160, started. and the finish rating went to 5%. i asked people, why aren't you finishing? a huge number of people who seriously cared -- [indiscernible] treaming a pure s
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lecture is not today great for teaching people something new. we started playing with having mentors involved and tutors and giving you feedback. >> a tutor to help you on your course? >> you can do almost everything to do in the classroom online. >> what else have you learned? >> the number one thing i have learned is that setting up society -- [indiscernible] time, people had one job in their lifetime. and not one employment much changed. who haveve met people had seven different careers. they still have a one phase of learning because we have not changed one inch in education. the vast majority of our
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students are people in midcareer. they have jobs and want to be able to stay on top. >> and a new skill to add? >> in my field, computer science, every five years, things but, obsolete. it is very hard for me. if i went to google as an engineer, i would fail. what i learned is so outdated. >> i am amazed at how you were at google ask and began to experiment with the car and driverless cars and all of that and you had larry's attention because he is fascinated from that. you were in charge of artificial intelligence and have robotics and all these things that are interesting. and you went to education. why? if you ask yourself, what has the biggest impact or what must
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needs to be fixed? education is mind blowing. if you look at what it means to democratize education, there are many places. africa,china, most of most of india. canle get stranded that change careers because of education. acceptable --and inaccessible. not where they grow up, but their own ability. it is basically what i am doing. >> to marry education to ability. >> i have been learning all of my life. spending my free time learning things. and i think there should be true for most people. they really care about these
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things. germany has a good education system. go to sub-saharan africa. it drives me crazy that people have no chance. >> it does. and the fact that this is a liberating agent. and even our home country, i got so many e-mails from people, mothers raising children as saying i want to get back into the workforce. people are going through all kinds of -- >> udacity is the means? maintain your place and the workforce is udacity? i wouldnot say recommend udacity for every body. we are experimenting. we are at the point that people can learn at home. literally, we want learning to be as smooth a fabric as a
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toothbrush. every day.ou do now, you can do it. and we have degrees -- >> what you mean by that? >> it is a crazy think with at&t. what people need today. and you find you have great credentials like a master degrees but they take a long time to do. what we aspire to do is making it minimally short so you can get in and learn as efficiently as possible and go to the next career and to get out. and then the magic number is more of a half a year. it can take a skilled mathematician or a skilled -- >> a skilled mathematician to do what? >> a programmer. and turnedrammer into a mobile programmer.
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there's a huge following right now. it is something you do many times in your life. and then learning has become shorter. shorter because the units are shorter but longer. >> what is the partnership with at&t? >> at&t is a very forward-looking company. techrked with georgia would we made masters degrees toordable for $45,000 $6,000. in each fact, they are reserving jobs, internships for top 100 graduates. somebody takes this and does well. >> what happens to your huge interest and experience and knowledge with artificial intelligence and robotics? >> i am still extremely interested.
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wonderful, great leader on the team and i am by the sidelines. i am trying to fix education. that is a pretty big job. you lose a sense, you have to commit yourself to education or curiosity -- >> every morning, i make the decision of which shoes to wear. that ication is one hadized my higher calling come. isare you surprised that it not gone further day you may have imagined when you first put your toe into the water? >> yeah. we had some setbacks obviously. we had moments of regret. we realized it was the wrong time. -- we work you
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inside of the university system. we learned a lot of technical things. much more demanding than in the thesroom because instruction is stronger. acted the same time, extremely intrigued by having too many students and various companies. 15 companies that actively support us. >> your audience is people -- you define your audience? professionals, 24-35. getting a masters degrees. a little bit older than college age. most people college age go to college. and today come from all different countries. >> what is your goal for udacity? the world.o change i want every person to have
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access. devicesfact of mobile as my platform and reach every body. unfortunately, i will be selling. -- failing. if i wait for at&t to do their job -- [indiscernible] my current customer, young professionals. it is hard to sway a young people and get udacity and the reason is there's not enough trust. it takes time. i hope every person on this planet -- ascks -- >> and would be proud as a udacity's degree as? >> we are trying our very best and putting students first. >> what about countries like china? what is happening there in parallel to what you are doing? >> in places like china and
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, a lot ofreplicate new schools are being built. >> higher education? >> and the sad part is there is an opportunity to leapfrog and go straight to mobile. >> call are you in. by the fact you came from a are you-- how influenced by the fact you came from a german school system? >> very fortunate to play a role at stanford. is the exclusivity problematic. not stamfordit is go to placeseople that are not of the same quality and even lower quality than germany. and then they have this amazing college debt.
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education, itee was not great, but good. it would be devastating. >> is great to have you here. >> a pleasure. ♪
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>> paul haggis is an oscar-winning screenwriter. the first to write back-to-back winners. "million dollar baby" and "crash." his new film is called "third person" and here is the trailer. >> and do you know me? >> is supposed to be about a man who feels for the characters. it is something else. no. >> hi, daddy. i miss you. >> i am sorry. >> we have to convince the judge
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and that you are stable enough for visitation. ♪ >> i need you to look at what you dead. i'd need you to tell me the truth. -- i need you to tell me the truth. tell me. >> do you know how long she talked about it? >> i cannot forgive myself. >> begging. >> come with me. >> where? >> anywhere.
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>> you really do not feel a thing, do you? >> it is people you do not have time for. >> joined me as one of the actors. moran atias and paul haggis. welcome. tell me the idea of "third to you and what it means and form to this script. >> we have had conversations about this. a third person in every relationship we do not know who it is. you think it is your mother-in-law but it is somebody from your past. also, i loved the idea that leo millson -- liam neeson's character was a journalist and the third person. and the question about his young
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she -- and they flirt in the third person and then sometimes they are quite cruel to each other. >> how does the working relationship develop? had a small role in my last film. she asked if she could stay on the set. couple of days off and i said sure. during that time -- she wanted to learned directing. [laughter] this is the lens. she started to pitch ideas. and then she said, you should do a multiple character, multiple storyline he's about love and relationships. i said, that is interesting. i went to new york and met with her. and it developed from there. >> without three at ibaka from
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-- we have three autobiography stories? >> 13. it is personal and other people's relationships and sometimes you judge it them. when you grow, you start evaluating those in judgment till opinions in a different way. if i did not like that, what does it say about me? how am i in that dynamic? many profound questions these characters have to ask about themselves to surrender to something so grand and terrifying alike love. >> surrender to love? >> surrender to love. isn't that hard and beautiful? >> you had in the id is a you began to massage the ideas. >> i wrote for 2.5 years. any good writer should get done in six months. >> the academy thinks you are a
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pretty good writer. >> they used to. decided to let the characters take me where they wanted to go and that is a huge mistake as a writer. you should control your characters and put them in a plot and that is what i did not to do. sometimes they would take me to a dead end or to a cliff. sometimes places that made me feel really uncomfortable. >> was she infusing the writing? >> i was lucky to write notes from moran. and my partner, michael. are people ihose trust. >> let's take a look. this is where anna tells michael that she took his hotel room. set the scene. >> they had a huge fight. she has just left and tried to useogize and she said, you
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that were so often it has no meaning. >> sorry. the word, sorry. >> he starts calling and she does not pick up and he stops calling. exit little game she can play. -- and that is a little game she can play. >> hi. >> hey. your roomraid i took earlier. i felt bad. >> yeah. >> oh. i feel foolish. be -- i showered earlier. >> you do need this one. >> it could not hurt. >> and then -- [laughter] tell us about you.
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you are from israel. you did not set out to be an actress. >> no. therapist since i was a very young girl. i wanted to -- i was always fascinated about human behavior and why we do what we do. and i found a much more acting,ng medium with a with storytelling. iam not curing anybody, but feel like i am living life as such -- and such a metallic team. -- the vitality. >> tell me about the other characters. >> we have olivia wilde and li . m. and mila. are in a terrible custody battle. she is accused of doing something no mother would do.
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and she is not seen her child for a year. fighting for her child back. moran.have, adrien and adrien brody plays an american businessman. he hates being there. designs andto steal sell them on the black market. he wants to get out. a place that maybe he can get a decent hamburger and a beer. takes needs moran that him on a ride. >> what kind of ride? >> i think a fun ride. >> i have an interesting story about three characters. i would like to be in paris. i like to be in wrong. i like to be in new york.
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rome.ike to be ain >> it looks good on a page. movie pretends to be three love stories. tois really -- i wanted explore the creative process and how selfish we are. as writers and creators and two takes the place. often it is us, the children. >> i was asking you could the third person be work? >> how we fill our lives try not to think about the things that are haunting us. forgiveness and possibility. >> tell me where you are in the relation of the with scientology. >> we are friends now. >> no, you are not. , if you read about
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some scandal involving me, you will know somebody had a hand. have memories. i have seen what they have done to other people. every day. how he was almost destroyed. they tend to back off a bit. real quarrel., i had a quarrel. i said what i needed to say. >> did you do that without fear? >> can you do anything like that without fear? you can do it. there were a lot of people who walked away quietly and that is not me. >> had you thought about it for a while? >> yes, i thought for a long time. try to be in the system
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and i became frustrated. i decided to start looking. i saw things i should've seen years and years ago. >> why don't people see that? whether scientology or something else? you do not know. they keep it from you. and you keep it from your cell. it is very long. -- and you keep you from yourself. it's a long process. there is a pride. it is my group. times,"er "the new york and they did an article. they said, we hear you are a science colleges. come at me. magazine" as "time you do not do that and you stop yourself. and you feel stupid. knowledgeng that is
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and awareness and you cut yourself off. >> are you different today? >> oh yeah, much happier. more myself. >> it was liberating for you? >> yeah. >> true onto your self. i want to talk about other things you are doing. like haiti. are there certain places it you go that connect to you? >> i went in there and i read an article about a man. a doctor and a priest. --was when i was in a league it was when i was in italy. i frankly do not believe it. he was too heroic. i decided i was see for myself and i flew to haiti and found
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him. it was culture week. father rick. i never experienced a real hero in my life until i met him. i had to do something to help him. a very smart man. sees what he's up against a he does not quit. we found that the first high school for the kids. we have the engineering school. >> are you concerned about the fact, the international focus has left haiti? >> of course. it was a much easier to raise money. we brought to my friends and said it will going to help, it is for the long-term. i made people give the long term. $50,000 a year for five years.
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now they are recommitting. there's a great weight on me. >> are you involved in this? was. five days after the earthquake, i joined paul and a number of incredible people and that experience profoundly changed me. >> how so? --things connect to you and not in a very organic away. they are not my people. they ask nothing in return. you helped him and some people you not able to help. there were not enough seats on the helicopter and all they did was thank you. that's really connected me that level of kindness when other people could be really fragile about what happened to them. after we started talking about the project.
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>> this took place. seven years ago? >> five years ago. >> can we show a clip of you? >> if you insist. >> this is scott played by adrien brody. >> you want something? >> yeah, i do actually. one of those. you might tell me what it is. if it is cold. >> [speaking italian]
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>> that is a good. i am sorry for steering. -- staring. staring. looking at you. my eyes. >> you think i do not speak english? staring.pologizing for >> you are just looking. >> tell me where you are in terms of these larger roles with what you wantof to do. you would for israel to italy as somebody said you should be in movies. >> at first, i was hosting tv and radio shows and doing all kinds of things before i found this medium.
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for me, it is just such a privilege to portray a character like monaco. -- monica. see whyan all day nina men who lives in italy and nice to survive no matter what it gypsy whon italian lives in italy and it needs to survive no matter what it takes. apologize or how society do find her. and she meets a man who treats are differently. perhaps go through this incredible failing off perhaps she is worthy of being loved. from all of that, i have so many tools to develop a character technically with an accident -- accent and study their culture and live that life of a gypsy. they allowed me to
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portray this character, i secretly started to research everything. i readook, every article about the culture. i felt it was only staying in my head and i had to fill this woman in my bones and toes. and i went to italy and got myself an apartment with no furniture, no gas. went on the street to start from what they can begin in the gypsy clan. the first thing is begging. begging for money. it was the most difficult and waslenging, little task i judging when i saw people here begging in new york or l.a. i was like thomas so easy, why don't you find yourself a job? i was wearing a different skirt and not cleaned hair and not
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showered. it was impossible to make a euro looked a little different. that gave me such a strength to portray this character. i wanted to bring as much authenticity as i could. they were not convinced that i could do it. >> there was a time when penelope cruz was going to play the role. >> she was not available and moran auditioned and she was just awful. >> i was. >> i often cast people who are terrible and auditions. and read for me three times. and each time she was worse. i said, you have the job. the audition process in itself is false. >> what did you see in her? >> i had seen her work on "crash."
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you know they are good. you know they can't do it. it is the nerves taking over. -- you know they can do it. >> did you think you had a bad audition? >> the worst. when i try to explain to paul, it is a layered character, it takes time. i cannot have that accent and voice if i do not work on it. in the morning at 4:00 a.m. until 6:30 p.m. and listen to this voice. , to findn the speech this originality and the voice. specific voice that we found and the rhythm of speech of this woman was so innocent and childlike and not educated which i thought, we would give another layer. i thought, i cannot give this
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and in addition. -- in an audition. feelst looks different, different. >> and she found it? >> they do not audition. any of these actors that came. not kunis, i thought could do this part. completely surprised me. you are way too beautiful, way too young. no. and, youcross from her can absolutely do it. i love to let actors surprise us and give a chance. >> do you only want to direct what you write? >> not necessarily. i tried to direct what other people wrote. will you fix this scene, it is not working. >> thank you. a pleasure to meet you. back in a moment.
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stay with us. >> i do not think there were 10 people out of the state of north carolina who had ever heard of michael jordan. the perfect example is michael jordan, the greatest basketball player ever to play. before he came to the camp, only two schools were recruiting camp. one day at this camp, michael jordan exploded onto the scene. and from there, it is nothing but history. >> tom konchalski and howard garfinkel are here. they are pi your nears and the world of high school -- they are pioneers in the world of high school basketball recruiting. started thenkel five-star basketball camp which he ran for 4 decades.
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it was preeminent for aspiring athletes and coaches. michael jordan and lebron james and kevin durant who passed through. i am pleased to have howard garfinkel and tom konchalski at this table for the first time. welcome. >> an honor. >> why do they come to the camp? these young players? >> they came for three reasons. number one, the exposure. the competition against the best players in the country. and hopefully they came and this was the paramount reason for instruction. do become better players. it was on paralleled. >> michael jordan said it changed how i felt about basketball and the turning point in my life. i saw all of the all americans
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and i was the low was the lowest on the totem pole. maybe i could play with these guys. that does it. you can size up yourself versus the competition. >> and he was wonderful at the camp. trivia question. to theu are talking greatest mind in the history of basketball, this guy. and this guy here. no, trust me. true. trivia question. michael jordan came to the camp. injured.d week, he got the first week, he was terrific. he only tied for the m.v.p.. >> they get a chance to measure themselves against other players, young players and cost coaches to look at them. and a chance to learn. >> teaching was at another
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level. and it started when bob knight year of thesecond camp. he came as our head coach. and he said, now, we are putting in station said this week. teaching stations. we are putting in stations. eight stations and eight different skills. and we did it. we had not done that before. >> shooting, passing, dribbling. >> 101 moves. defense. teaching set the camp apart. bob knight is totally responsible for that. >> he is a good teacher? >> unbelievable teacher and a good leader. >> all the famous coaches are pretty good teachers, wouldn't you say? >> yes. success unless you can't teach. >> you cannot just be a good recruiter?
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-- you haveto have to be a teacher. the great coaches are the great teachers. look at the dean smith's and kni ght's. they are all great teachers. >> i am trying to get a fix on him for a moment. from the moment he shakes your hand and looking square in the eye, part military and concerned priest, tom konchalski is assessing, are you division i material or simply junior-college. when you make of that assessment, how do you make of that? >> you do not. you just observe and take as much in. not only on the court and when you meet them. you want to see what type of character and personality they have. it is hard to be a great player if we do not have personality.
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absolutely. giveave to have -- if you a dead fish handshake, if you have -- if you do not make eye contact, if you are so severely introverted you keep your head down, that will keep you from reaching your potential. >> you have to have pride. recs exactly. -- >> exactly. >> brown along with bob knight and kressler, who passed a year ago, they were the best teachers. brown's lectures at the camp were like watching fred astaire moves. his moves, his speech. he's the greatest hope lecturer alive, dead, or yet born. yet, or
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>> he retired. >> what made him that? >> his knowledge. his moves. his demand. command. his passion. he was just awesome. he would do 2 lectures every week. and the place went nuts. one thing he said when he introduced tom, he mentioned priest. into theok tom service, you can't curse or say anything bad language near tom. he goes off. there was a player from north 68 -- 6'8" terrific
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player. named beckendam. we had to change it. we could not put it in the reports. we have to change it to beckendarn. >> a hypothetical. kate you take a kid who has athletics but is not a great shooter? never has been a great shooter. >> you can make him an improved shooter. but i know that, but a great shooter? what do they have? >> they have touch and confidence. you can work on the stroke. the sensitivity in his fingertips like the gray shooters like chris mullin or jj redick. you can make an improved shooter. strength but his
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they can grow from being a weakness to where he is a passable shooter at the least. >> and the work and the time that the shooters put in is mind-boggling. what to does kevin half kevin durant, most valuable player have? 9",is what he has is he is 6' a great touch. he has the skill. he has skills with the ball that you would expect a 6'5" player to have. he has athletic ability. he has -- the biggest thing he has is character. >> like what you saw when he had the m.v.p.. me up and the middle of the night and the summertime and making me run up the hill is making me do push-ups, screaming
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at me from the sideline of my game at eight or nine years old. we are both supposed to be here. you made me believe. us off the streets and food on the tables. >> he is somebody who has a great appetite for the game. he will come up and pay and the entertainer's classic. he will play in a nike. he will do this in different cities. he just loves to play. his agent saying, you can get hurt. especially if you play in entertainer's. entertainer's has a wooden floor. but, pro city is endorse. -- indoors. his agent is exhorting him not to play but he loves to play and that is what makes us special.
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he has a great unlawful for the game. god made him 6'9". >> quickness. >> all of it. he is the mohammed ali a basketball. -- mohammed ali of a basketball. he floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee. >> the ability to teach and lead. >> character? >> yeah. and that is where mike is. >> how has a manifest? obviously with his years at west point and then serving the military. but that is how he learned to be a leader. but he instills a confidence in his players and determination. he is very good at communicating his competitiveness and his
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single-mindedness of focus. >> he talked to the players one on one about their lives. more than basketball. >> i agree. there are a lot of other coaches that do it. >> the name of the game is and was and always will be improving. >> how important is the mother in that process? [laughter] know.o not we talked to the fathers. the mothers -- >> there are so many other voices that kids have. maguire, his success at north carolina. he would charm the mothers and the fathers and the coach. >> but now, the mother. the one i believe.
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it is the coach. >> so many voices that kids have. >> it confuses kids. the most famous high school coach and most successful in history. god, onea is, one wife, one coach. now kids jump from one small to another -- a jump from one school to another. they play for multiple coaches. during the off-season, they play for multiple teams with multiple coaches and there are too many people in their ear. the kids that have had the most success and had a good support system and one strong voice in their head. and they listen to their voice. if they start looking, we all
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have the tendency to hear what we want to hear. if 10 people are telling one person, like jabari park, will be high, with so many other guys that come out too early, if 10 people tell them to go back because you will be a late first round or second round pick, it only takes one voice saying, no, you are a lottery pick. everyone travels the route of of least resistance. we hear selectively what we want to hear. people who tell us what we want to hear, we tend to listen to. >> would you rather, in all of the things you have been, one hell of a college coach -- >> i do not have the temperature -- temperament. >> usage seem to have the most calming temperament.
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>> i do not think i am fiery enough. like to have to get on the players. i used to coach a summer league and summer camps. i do not like to have to get on, i like to be friends. >> mike said about howard i have known him as almost 4 decades and he is as good a basketball player as i have met. hasknight, howard garfinkel done more for coaches and kids that anybody i know. i endorse his services highly. >> you do not have to go further. >> is great to be here. >> i love the qualities you said. ♪
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